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    ok pulling my hair out with this now, need help !!
    I have a DT65 Suzuki oil injection, I think its 1980s cant seem to match serial number for precise year. Anyway. Bought this motor and the guy I got it from said it needed a bit of work to get it going and explained it had an issue with water leaking from head. He wasnt wrong !! Head Gasket.
    What ive done so far.
    New Head, and Water cover gasket. Full carb clean. (twice Actually) a good detailed clean at that. Reed valves looking good too. Oil filter cleaned was in good condition. New spark plugs set to 0.9. NKG,s. Fuel pump rebuild. Though I dont feel its needed, I have ordered new diaphragm anyway. in post now. Thats another thing eliminated. adjusted mix screws 2 turns out. new fuel. New oil. And start... Success, She kicked into life. Put it on muffs and all seemed well. Went into gear up and down revs ok, so took it to local lake for a test spin.
    launched after a quick start at bank and all seemed good. Maybe sounded a little rough, but was thinking I will tune it out on water. As soon as I gave it a bit of throttle she dies. Sounded like it was starved, So I tried again and it started up ok this time, will even rev up in neutral. Managed to tickle it up a few revs but then felt like it was limited or restricted.( I will come back to this) I had a quick look seen that the plug was wet with fuel. Initially I thought must be spark problem.
    Took boat back to yard, back on muffs and discovered that its only running on 2 cylinders, top cylinder is not firing. changed around the HT leads and problem remains in No 1 cylinder. (ruling out HT leads or coil issue). I have a compression tester coming to do full test in a few days but I am certain ive got good compression and good fuel and good spark. I did noticed that the spark on cylinder 1 gave me a bit of a shock and spark was jumping outside of plug to my hand. sort of all over the place when I touched it, a bit different from the other 2.
    My question is this, what would cause a miss in one cylinder if you have compression, spark and fuel. where should I look next to get this cylinder to run. I was thinking maybe magnetos. Timing am I on the right path. If anyone can shed any light it would be a massive help.
    Also Coming back to Oil injection issues. Can someone shed any light on the oil sensor limiting revs. I dont have a rev counter but im sure its holding around 2000rpm when it does go on the the 2 cylinders. Its full of oil and the oil light is still showing. Thinking faulty sensor. However I tried to by pass sensor by joining plug wires telling system level is full then hit the reset button while engine was running and this didnt put the oil light out. Again any info would really help me not go bald.
    Thanks for sticking with me and hope there is some expert guy out there that can teach me a few things.

  • #2
    are you sure it is an oil light and not a water flow light? Muffs and possible Salt Water contamination.

    Back to the (not running on #1) are you sure it isn't as simple as a fouled plug?
    Wet, and spark jumping. Good Blue spark or whitish?

    It runs on all cylinders at idle, but drops 1 at 2000 RPM? or always down 1? If always down 1, try spraying some either under the flywheel at idle and see if it picks up the idle. Crank Seal/Vacuum Leak.

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    • #3
      Good first post with lots of info but there were lots of changes in that model between 85-90. Please post the serial number and photos, it will save us a lot of time.

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      • #4
        Yes, a serial number does help us look up the parts used on your year motor. Possibly this can help let us know what sensors, and other protection devices were used.

        The magneto on your year motor may be fine, but there could be an ignition/ timing coil sensor for each cylinder? Parts listings can tell us these things.

        Post back when able to let us know.

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        • #5
          Hello and thanks for the responses, the number on the side is 06502-012126. any info would be great to see what year it is.
          This engine has never seen salt water at all. When First took it for a spin to test it, I didnt notice that it wasnt firing on cylinder 1 and just thought it needed a fine tune but it appears as tho the no 1 has never fired. on test run this must have been the case, I guess this is why it never went to full revs. Im thinking I may also have the limiter issue aswell as the oil light on the gauge is red and will not go away with a reset. I tried bridging plug to trick into thinking it was full after reading a thread about this issue. It didnt make any difference, maybe reset button is broke.
          If I understand it there are a number of sensors. oil low warning, water temp, throttle position sensor. All three can cause a limit. Is this correct ? am I missing any others ?
          just to give as much info as I can. I was out looking at it today and strange thing is im getting a good spark, nice blue color but seems the spark doesnt seem as direct as the others. Hard to explain but the spark off the good cylinders is a good straight jump, where as the top one seems to spread out. Maybe this is just me over thinking it, not sure. Ive checked the gaps and plugs, swapped them around and its not the plug as it works fine in the other cylinders. im really stummped,
          I may have 2 problems due to oil or some other sensor to make things worse. Do you know if I bridge all the sensors will that take it out of limp mode ? of course after I fix the cylinder not firing issue. Not to keen on cutting all the wires on the plugs. I will do compression check. Just waiting on a friend lending me a compression tester. Il check back with results and change fuel pump diaphragm in the mean time. Im thinking that if all compression fuel checks out would this maybe have something to do with the magneto or the stator plate under flywheel. Im running out of ideas. Also would need to get a large puller to remove flywheel

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